🛤️ Forging your own path with a Hot Genius: Sakuna McArthur

Ever grappled with the desire to shed societal expectations and discover your most authentic self? Sakuna McArthur, a life purpose coach, joins us in a heart-to-heart about the liberation that comes from embracing every fleck of our being, imperfections included. We navigate the transformative journey of self-acceptance, delving into how facing our deeper, repressed selves can lead to profound self-love and a life of genuine fulfilment. Through tales of personal relationships and career shifts, we illuminate the paradox of self-love and the courage to pursue our passions unapologetically.

Finding one's true calling can often feel like steering a ship through fog—challenging, but also exhilarating. Our conversation takes you through the intertwining paths of personal and professional identity, touching on the dissatisfaction that can arise from conventional roles and the importance of aligning your career with your core values. We share personal narratives of significant life changes, from the throes of academia to the whimsy of a small business and the eventual epiphany of a life purpose rooted in holistic coaching. It's an honest dialogue about the fears and resistance that can precede these life-altering decisions and the importance of listening to your inner compass.

But what about the future, that grand tapestry we're all weaving with the threads of our present ambitions? We discuss the shared joy that comes from experiences rather than material possessions and how trusting our intuitions is often the first step toward the realization of our aspirations. From dreams of creating a tranquil wellness center to manifesting our deepest desires, we share insights and mantras that encourage you to actively sculpt your life's narrative. This episode is an inspiring testament to the power of creating a life by design—a reminder that our existence is a canvas for our own creation, not simply a series of events to passively accept. Join us on this journey of authenticity and embrace the calling of your truest self.

Sakuna McArthurs IG handle: undo.u.wellness
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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

self-love man, I mean putting on a face mask, or. Welcome back to another episode of the Hot Genius podcast. Today's episode is really special. We've never done anything like this before. In fact, we get to interview not just a powerhouse of a woman named Saqquina MacArthur, who is a live purpose coach based in Melbourne, but this episode was not supposed to be a podcast episode. This conversation, this interview that you're about to hear, was supposed to be for my ears only, as the original idea was to write a profile piece on her, as I actually am also a journalist Low key. But I had a divine guidance situation that said that that's not what I need to do right now and to instead turn this into an episode in the podcast, just for you. Without further ado, let's get into it.

Speaker 1: 0:52

I can say in the email why I decided to choose you as being one of the Hot Geniuses of the month. I shared how. The reason why I specifically chose you is because of the way that you have turned your brand and your life's work into this journey of where I think you're just becoming an industry leader, and I noticed that you unapologetically share your truth and you're inspiring others. I've also I've told you this many times that I have been inspired by you as well on my own personal journey, which is why I'm excited to write a profile piece on you, because Hot Genius Society is here to support and connect the like-minded people real-life superheroes that I like to call it. And I was saying how to be bold is to be free and to be authentic is amazing and takes a lot of courage, but it can sometimes be such a lonely path. So, despite the blessings of doing what you do, we know the cost of being unique and extraordinary. So what would you say is the best part of being unapologetically yourself?

Speaker 2: 2:06

The first thing that comes to me is a sense of liberation.

Speaker 1: 2:13

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:14

It's so freeing when you can be unapologetically yourself, because it means that you are in this deep level self-acceptance and not just all the good, but all the shadow parts, the parts that we might try to disown or hide or suppress or push down, and those parts are healthy in the sense that it just wants to be acknowledged right.

Speaker 2: 2:43

You can't have light without dark. You can't have good without bad. Mother nature works in a way that there needs to be harmony and balance. So when you are unapologetically yourself, you are not denying those shadow parts. You are loving, acknowledging and accepting and integrating them in your daily life.

Speaker 1: 3:05

Absolutely. I love that answer and I personally couldn't agree more with you, and I think that's a perfect segue, actually, into the next question. Because now I'm asking you, what would you say is the unglamorous side of being unapologetically yourself?

Speaker 2: 3:23

The unglamorous side is having to face and confront those parts of you that you might have repressed, and facing them and learning from them and asking yourself why is it here? What is it trying to teach me? What is it trying to help me with?

Speaker 2: 3:49

That's the unglamorous side, because it's scary as fuck and confronting and nobody really wants to do that and that can feel really lonely and dark. But there's healthy ways that you can work on doing that when you have support with coaching, with camps, with psychologists, or if you're just creating a really safe space for you to do that as well. So that could look like meditating, that could look like journaling, that could look like checking in when you find yourself feeling triggered or feeling angry or sad or upset and often we try to deny ourselves of these feelings because it makes us feel like shit but instead allowing ourselves to feel it and heal and release.

Speaker 1: 4:38

Yeah, oh, my god, I'd love that answer as well, and thanks for sharing that. I kind of want to dig deeper into this question, though, because I feel like it needs to be spoken on, especially by someone who's literally embodying it. But so you've shared the unglamorous side and all of that, but what would you say was in your own personal journey and, of course, in the answer? This is, if you come to one, sharing but like your own personal experience of maybe a struggle you've had to overcome or currently overcoming, when it does come to you being unapologetically yourself.

Speaker 2: 5:14

Yeah, well, I had to go through a really challenging relationship where it was really unhealthy and I just felt like I completely lost myself and I was completely disconnected with myself, my friends, my family, my passion, my purpose. It was like I was just in survival mode and it wasn't specifically that person, it was just us to in a relationship really brought the worst out of us.

Speaker 2: 5:47

But it was my greatest lesson, because finding the courage to leave when you were feeling broken and so low in self-worth and self-esteem and walking away and choosing to make that promise to have a self-evolution, and that whole challenge and that relationship really taught me what self-love meant. And I didn't mean putting on a face mask or having another glass of wine or getting my nails done. It meant saying no to the things that did not serve me and yes to the things that did. Yeah, and also accepting the ugly side of myself that came through in that relationships. You know, I hated myself. I actually said to myself I hate myself, but those parts of me were me and it was just the repressed me coming through, trying to help me survive.

Speaker 1: 6:47

Yeah, yeah, I feel that Well yeah.

Speaker 1: 6:52

Thank you so much for sharing that. I don't think you understand how impactful that whole answer was and I really appreciate you know you're being vulnerable, because there's a lot of power in that, especially because I personally believe, anyway, that the key to self-love is actually admitting when you hate yourself, as weird as that sounds. If I just, in my opinion, like I said, like if we feel like we can't even own that, then how can we truly love ourselves if we can't kind of embrace that duality, sort of like what you said at the beginning, right, and so yeah, like I think that was very brave of you and yeah, once again, thank you so much for sharing that.

Speaker 2: 7:34

Thank you. Oh yeah, I think you're right. I mean, it begins with you coming to self-awareness and realizing I hate this life, I hate myself because from there, if you choose to learn what you are receiving from that experience, then you were able to grow and glow out of that as well. You know, I think it's not about being critical or judgmental, but it's like okay, I hate myself. How can I not hate myself? What do I need? Checking in with your needs again, what your values are, and being compassionate with yourself.

Speaker 1: 8:15

Absolutely, yeah. No, I really couldn't agree more with that. And you know, just from me following your journey although I didn't know the details of it, just witnessing you I did notice this huge level of shift and evolution from you. And now that you're sharing this and I'm hearing a little bit more detail, it's just it all makes so much sense and just whatever it's worth, yeah, like whatever it's worth from my end, like it's very noticeable in the best way. Yeah, because I feel like sometimes it's harder to notice it in yourself.

Speaker 2: 8:48

Yes, but 100% the thing is, no one's there to to help you, right they're gonna be there to support you, but none of my friends were like security need to really lead that relationship. Security you've changed security. You know, you're this. You're that they just stuck around in case I needed them, because sometimes it's really hard to hear that from others and what you do is you end up progressing back and like contracting in yeah and isolating yourself further because of shame yeah, I think, working through that self-shame right, yeah, yeah, accepting shame and being like, okay, I went through so much shit, at least gained something from your challenges.

Speaker 2: 9:31

Like who have I become because of that? Right what have I gained because of that?

Speaker 1: 9:37

yeah, absolutely and in your right, because you know, sometimes it's very delicate if someone's energy, even when they are, if they were to tell you you know, so, who know what, are you doing? This relationship, if they, if their energy is just a little bit judgmental, it's enough to completely be, I guess have an adverse effect on us because we're not hearing their words anymore, we're more so hearing the energy. Exactly that could be delicate what we're hearing the shadow reflected in your back to us.

Speaker 1: 10:08

Absolutely, yeah, yeah, no, I feel that, and so okay, in saying all of that, um, what does being a hot genius mean to you personally?

Speaker 2: 10:23

I love this. A hot genius means you are living and embodying your truth. That's what it means to me. It doesn't mean hot in the sense that you're like beautiful and sexy, the amazing. It doesn't mean that you're just like the most intelligent or the most smartest person of all, because everyone's level of intelligence is so uniquely different to each other and everyone has intelligence in so many areas. But hot genius right, you are just fully embodying, accepting, appreciating all levels of your sentencing oh, yes, I love that so much.

Speaker 1: 11:13

Oh, thank you for that answer. That was like a breath of fresh air, specifically because I purposely um called this brand hot genius society or hot genius on purpose, in a way where it is open into, yeah, open to interpretation, um, and that I just absolutely adore that. You've you've seen it beyond its, I guess, superficial sound and you've really seen, I guess, the, the depth of what it can mean. Um, as you said, it's, it's not a black and white thing, um being being a genius. Like you know, if you want to get academic about it, there's actually no one way to define it. It is really difficult to truly measure that, but I think the best that we have is seeing that everyone has their own unique expression of their intelligence. It's gonna look different um for everyone, and to that, though, I would love to, to sort of see where, where you sit with this.

Speaker 1: 12:20

But I also personally believe, personally, that hot, the word hot, um how that can symbolize appearance, um, sexiness and whatever else, that I feel like to some degree, when it's balanced with inner beauty and authenticity, that I just believe personally, that we should embrace that part of us as well, that it with context with everything else. That's when it can become our power, as opposed to something we hide behind, and I would just love to hear your opinion on that what came to me with that was when I was thinking about the word hot right it's like beautiful, sexy, whatever that might mean for people like courageous, right, it's an internal feeling yeah, rather than an external, because normally we would use that language to describe others externally.

Speaker 2: 13:22

But to really feel that way on an internal level is to appreciate and accept all parts of who you are. They're good, the bad, the ugly, the dark, the light yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1: 13:38

I love that answer. Thank you, um okay, so the next question I have for you is okay, how would you best describe what you do for work?

Speaker 2: 13:50

There is so much within that, because I know that what I'm currently doing right now is just the beginning. There's this intuitive feeling deep within me that I'm going to be led to something more and something bigger in the future.

Speaker 2: 14:11

So when I first started, I was working around the Western psychology, around counselling and coaching and mindset work, reprogramming your mind, but the more I was learning about that, in parallel I was starting to deepen my spiritual awakening and skills and knowledge as well, and I just travelled to understand what I was fucking doing and who I was. How do I integrate both?

Speaker 2: 14:47

And then I realised that they go hand in hand in so many ways, the more I was learning about spirituality, I saw so much of the science within that the more I was learning about Western psychology and science, I was starting to see so much of the spirituality within that too, and, having being able to work with both modalities, I feel like I'm able to create something really rich and powerful.

Speaker 2: 15:17

So, right now, being a holistic life purpose coach and I use the word holistic because I'm able to work with the person as a whole, their mind, body and spirit I can see myself working towards being a spiritual coach as well, but I know that right now I'm not, because I'm starting to learn and I'm covering and starting to hear and see and experience things that I haven't before, and I realise that all of this learning was to help me develop into being able to teach that, because you can't teach something that you haven't learnt. So I'm going through a very huge learning period spiritually. But, yeah, working with a life purpose coach is definitely what I'm doing right now. I'm a holistic life purpose coach who does spiritual work.

Speaker 1: 16:20

Yeah, I love that, and I would love to add as well that I think this is a huge reason why I also created Hot Junior Society.

Speaker 1: 16:30

I don't know if I've described this to you before, but I feel like if I had to describe the vibe, it would be Justice League meets Charlie's Angels. Yeah, and there's a reason behind it, though, and it's that, specifically, I find that anyone who's attracted to the brand, who shares these values of paving your own path and being authentic and truly loving yourself and not in the corny way, in the genuine shadow way is that we tend to be forging our path so well that we're sort of creating something that doesn't exist yet, and it can be so difficult to define and articulate what the fuck we do, because what we are probably doing is so it's pioneering sort of energy, and so I was just wondering, like, is that something that you have found, that you have personally found like a bit of sweet experience in where, as much as you have this clarity, that there's also this sense of struggle of truly defining what it is that you do?

Speaker 2: 17:40

Yep, definitely 100%, like I. Just I feel that one day I'm going to recreate and reinvent what it is that I do. Yeah, because we all evolve and we all change and we all grow and we all adapt and we can't all fit in a category, in a box, and sometimes you know a job, a career, a title, who we are has not yet been invented.

Speaker 1: 18:07

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:08

It doesn't exist because we are uniquely ourselves.

Speaker 1: 18:13

Yes.

Speaker 2: 18:15

Exactly. So, yeah, I definitely. I mean, like before coaching and holistic work, you know, came through, I never knew what that was. I didn't even know that existed. I'm pretty sure, and I go in the head and start hearing about it a couple of years ago, yeah, but someone must have invented that right, exactly. I mean like people can be like content influencers now, and that didn't exist in the 90s. Exactly, you know, we create these titles, categories and boxes, but we don't all fit in them either.

Speaker 1: 18:55

Yeah, exactly, and that I guess could be such a bittersweet experience.

Speaker 1: 18:59

I know for me personally it has the amount of hours and effort and energy that I personally went through in trying to articulate what I do was a big struggle, and then I started to realize that the people who truly are creating something that's authentic, that we all struggle with it, not because there's anything wrong with us or anything like that, but more so because, like you said, doesn't really exist yet in a way. So I think there's a bittersweet thing to that as well. But thank you for that answer because I think that it's nice for me, when I write this piece up, for other people to understand that they're not alone in that, because it's not something that anyone really talks about and I think that just normalizing, I guess, the struggle of pioneering something can actually really so much, I guess, shame and inner conflict. So thank you for sharing your answer and so, in saying that, what would you say made you personally fall in love with the work that you do and AKA being a life purpose coach?

Speaker 2: 20:15

I'm just thinking where would I start?

Speaker 2: 20:18

I think of. What made me fall in love with doing what I do was this intense drive and passion that I had when I would talk to just people, my friends, and hearing them say that there are things that they wanted to do, that they didn't believe that they could do or would ever want to do, or just feeling like Groundhog Day and stuck in a job that they didn't feel that they could leave and just taking each day as it comes and waiting for the weekend, waiting for the holidays and listing to that made me reflect on how I was also experiencing that and I just got this intense passion and drive about how can I change this. What if I could show people that they can live a purposeful life? What if I show people that they can choose to change the trajectory of their life and live fearlessly and start choosing to live from their values rather than impose adopted external values on what they think they should be doing, to what they really want to say yes to yes, but I had to embody that myself first.

Speaker 1: 21:52

Right, yep. And in saying all of that, do you, by any chance, is there a memory coming up for you where there was a visceral experience where you made that decision for yourself to become a life purpose coach specifically?

Speaker 2: 22:06

Yeah, absolutely. I think it was like my second year of teaching in high school. I always knew I was born to be a teacher. I mean like when I was a kid I would play school with my cousins. When I was going to uni, I was dressing like a teacher. I was embodying that massive, pretentious worker who dresses up like a teacher to go to their uni lectures.

Speaker 1: 22:28

anyway, I love that. To be honest, I love that.

Speaker 2: 22:33

And then when I got into teaching, I was like I love, love teaching, but I started realizing that the environmental schools didn't suit my philosophy. In Boston life, the way that we were driving and honing in academics and education is regarding the holistic, the wholeness of a child, of the colleagues, and just watching the level of stress and being in an environment of stress every single day, right, energetically, Like imagine what they would do to a person and I started experiencing a lot of stress, like a level of burnout and overwhelm. But to me I was. You know, we in a society conditioned to believe that success comes from accomplishing things, kicking goals, being resilient, having grit and all of that is fantastic. You know, some of that level of stress is healthy and great challenges and stimulation, but it was to the point where we we were completely disregarding our needs and our health and our mental health rights and eating the right kind of food being present.

Speaker 2: 23:45

And I paid like $300 for a career coach to tell me what else I could be doing because I was like I just got out of uni, I need a fine mother job. All the reports came back with teaching. I was super laughing with my face in my hands. So I stuck it out for years to come. I didn't know what else I could do and one day I would have like the Sunday scaries right Like this little anxiety having to go to work for the next week.

Speaker 1: 24:15

Monday, I guess.

Speaker 2: 24:16

Yeah, I was looking for a weekend. I was on autopilot, I was just. I was like in survival mode by the flight, my like nervous system was fucked up and I would call my friend and we would speak about like what else we could be doing in our life. We were dreaming, we were visualizing, you know what else could we be doing, and what we decided was we would start a business called Lux Picnic.

Speaker 1: 24:45

Yes, I remember that.

Speaker 2: 24:46

We made raising platters and, like this, spoke picnics and that allowed us to just tap into the creativity and it offered us, like this level of hope. But it wasn't really something that we deeply wanted to do. It was just something that was providing and fulfilling that little emptiness within. And I sat down one day with my tarot cards, a pizza in one hand and extra central tray to the other. I shouted to the university is coming down Like just give me a five, please show me, tell me something different. Yeah, and they were. I was seeing all these signs about holistic counseling and coaching.

Speaker 1: 25:30

Wow.

Speaker 2: 25:31

And I clicked the button and one day, an advertisement came up. I don't know why do I keep seeing this. Like what is this Clipped on it? Read through it and all of these memories flushed in where my friends were. Like Secuna, you would make an awesome counselor.

Speaker 1: 25:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:47

Like people like you would be a great counselor, and I always like rejected that because I just didn't see myself as that person.

Speaker 1: 25:53

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:54

And then I said to myself fuck it, I'm gonna do this, but then you're at the brink of the edge of change, right?

Speaker 1: 26:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:03

And the females and stories start kicking in, oh yeah, and I think to myself no, I'm not gonna do this. And one day I went to a yoga workshop and the instructor was like it's not about whether or not you're gonna do something, it's why haven't you done it yet? And I felt like she was speaking to me. It resonated so much. And after that workshop I went home and I signed up for that course and everything I was learning just completely changed my perspective on life, my values, my belief.

Speaker 2: 26:38

Wow, the way I was listening to people, the way I was communicating, the way I was seeing them, seeing me, wow. And then, from there on, I was just like this is my path.

Speaker 1: 26:51

Wow, wow, and I think that that visceral moment was probably during that yoga class.

Speaker 2: 27:00

Yeah Right, I mean, like even after that I was like working full time as a teacher and studying part time. But it got to the point where I was like asking the universe, you know, show me a sign. Should I quit teaching now? Should I do it later? Because you're so conditioned with society's way of? You need to have security, you need to have stability. We worked together for so long. We need to stay in this job and I just didn't know when I was ever gonna leave, until I had a car crash and I was driving an autopilot. I ran a red light, a car hit into me in Spun and I thought to myself how did I get to this point? Like I can't be that exhausted that I'm causing car accidents on the road.

Speaker 1: 27:45

And.

Speaker 2: 27:45

I thought to myself like I made a huge impact here. I was very, very dangerous. If I could make an impact like this. What would it look like if I could make a positive impact? And that was the day I decided I was gonna quit teaching.

Speaker 1: 27:59

Wow, wow, thank you for sharing that. I didn't even realize like I've heard some of those things from our conversations and whatnot, but I've never really heard it within context and I feel like I truly heard it for the first time and I felt really moved by it. And I am imagining, you know, when I write this piece up and when I discuss that part of your story, and I'm imagining a reader just sort of in a position where they know in their body that there's something that's more suitable for them, there's something that is more authentic for them, but they're at that point, just like you were, where there's not enough urgency in their external world to truly give them that, I guess, push to just make the decision. And so I would love to hear what you would say to the person to give them that push without them having to experience something so scary such as getting into a wake-up call situation. Is there anything that comes to mind that you feel like would have helped you or someone else who's probably in your position? You've got positions.

Speaker 2: 29:21

Oh, what a great question. Honestly, like I know this sounds bleak, but do not wait until you have your version of a car accident to make a change or go do the thing that you wanna do. Like I honestly do not think I would have left teaching unless something like that happened. We could have it now, you know. I think it's the best way to take that step forward, to make that change, or to leave a relationship, or to leave a job, or to move to a new country or whatever it is that you wanna do and wanting to get out of that comfort zone. I wish I did this to myself and the thing is I had all the tools. I just didn't do it on myself, because it's so different when you're working with others and supporting them and then it comes to yourself, it's like

Speaker 2: 30:10

it's a lot trickier. We all need support, even like I had a life coach to support me through my changes, because I knew that I wasn't able to hold that for myself. So what I would say is, if there's something that you wanna do, prepare and it's not about changing your behavior. For example, a lot of people like that I wanna be healthier and lose weight, so I'm gonna go to the gym three times a week. We always focus on behavior and putting ourselves in the environment, but it actually starts with okay, get really clear on what your purpose is. Once you have your purpose, start embodying that identity, because that identity is now gonna have a trickle down effect into creating what your values are. That values is gonna have a trickle down effect into creating your beliefs.

Speaker 2: 31:08

And your beliefs are gonna have a trickle down effect into creating your emotions, which is gonna have a trickle down effect to creating your behavior and then creating that environment that's gonna really help support your change. But the most important thing is in the body. Really preparing your nervous system, your body, to feel safe enough to make that move.

Speaker 1: 31:30

Yes, ooh, I love that making your body feel safe enough for it to move.

Speaker 1: 31:37

I love the way you worded that and I wanna follow up with that.

Speaker 1: 31:43

So, okay, I'm not gonna lie, I was a lot like you, meaning that I got into a car accident in 2015, and that was truly the only reason why I decided to change my life, because, if I'm being real with you, if I'm talking about myself, I'm really channeling who I used to be, which I feel like some people who will be reading this profile piece might actually be there as well, such as your past self.

Speaker 1: 32:09

But, to be honest, I heard many people say to me don't wait for something tragic to happen, and at that point, nothing tragic had happened yet, and so, just similar to you, I did always feel like my personal story was something that could be sort of like a I guess, vicarious wake up call for others, where they didn't have to experience it, for them to make a move, and so my question to you is is that what if that person it could even be your past self or my past self were told hey, don't wait for something tragic to happen before you live a life true to you and they didn't go through anything tragic and let's say they never will. What do you believe your message will be to them if, after you've said that, they still don't move?

Speaker 2: 33:04

What would my message be? Yeah, so if you'd?

Speaker 1: 33:07

already said to them hey, like, don't wait for tragedy to strike before you go and move in an authentic way, right, and let's say you say that to them, and but then it doesn't do anything, they're still stuck. What would you say to them then?

Speaker 2: 33:26

You know what? That's a really interesting question, because I once listened to the Queen of Confidence the artist where she got herself in a car accident. I shouldn't be laughing, but I'm laughing because of the irony and in her podcast she actually said to me not to me, but it felt like to me because I was asleep to it alone. Do not wait until you get into a tragic accident or something like that.

Speaker 2: 33:52

You want to see if you make that change and I'm like, oh, that really hit home. Right, it hit home at the time, but then I didn't do anything about it until. I got into a car accident and reflected on that podcast.

Speaker 2: 34:07

But if people still don't make that change, even after you say that, what I have to say about that is I wouldn't say anything to them unless they are here to see me with coaching right, but if it was a friend, if it was my past self, if it was someone, I really, truly believe that we are exactly where we are meant to be and sometimes we have to experience life for what it is in order for us to grow and expand. Sometimes it's just our journey, it's our own personal experience.

Speaker 1: 34:38

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:39

And, of course, you want to see everyone grow and open up their consciousness and expand, right, but it's also not our job, it's also theirs, if their willingness they are going to have to go through that experience of either experiencing an unfortunate event or experiencing this level of stagnation and feeling stuck until they are ready, because we can't change that feeling of readiness for others. We can inspire, we can empower, we can give them the tools. At the end of the day, it is their choice. Yeah, and it is on a spiritual level. I believe that we all have a sole contract, a sole contract and our purpose in life is to discover what that is. We are going to be faced with these challenges and our vertices and it is part of our contract to experience those challenges and learn the lessons.

Speaker 2: 35:37

Yeah, yeah so perhaps for their life lesson in this time, in this reality, is to experience that deep level of unfulfillment and stagnation and feeling stuck, because perhaps in their next life that might be something that they work on or that they repeat again. Right, yeah, until they really truly understand, and on a deeper level. You know, like our beliefs, our fears and our doubts that we have sometimes are not even ours. We have inherited them from our ancestors, epigenetically, especially from, like our mothers, which always pass down, like through the ancestral line, these fears and these doubts, and sometimes they're not even ours. I mean, nocis work could be really amazing, doing like path life regression could be amazing. Ancestral healing could be amazing. So, yeah, I mean, there's lots of tools, but at the end of the day it is always free will and a choice that they have to make.

Speaker 1: 36:40

Yeah, absolutely Thank you for that and, yeah, I do. I definitely see what you mean. It's like you know, it's such a fine line, sometimes right To be able, especially people who are in this industry, to sort of discern between is this a moment to inspire or is this a moment to actually release and let them, I guess, continue their path, and so, yeah, very interesting thoughts. I love that. And so, in saying that, what is something that you wish more people asked about you, specifically about you?

Speaker 2: 37:23

That is a really, really juicy question, thank you, and get personal with it.

Speaker 1: 37:31

It doesn't have to be revolved around work or anything, just use it personally.

Speaker 2: 37:39

What's really coming up to me and I'm going to go with my first impression is on spirituality. Okay, and I would love to have more conversations with people about this, because I just feel like I don't have a wide range of people that I could always go to to have these conversations with. Yes, where they are deeply, deeply curious or, you know, are working within spirituality themselves or, you know, are just reaching out. I mean, I love running my workshops because I get to share spirituality and talk, but I would rather have conversation where I'm not teaching and I'm having a conversation with people about it and I just haven't really found that connection and that tribe. I mean, it's slowly getting there but I would. But I would love to have that conversation with people and them asking me questions about, you know, my connection with spirits Spirit guides me into a wish and where it works like I'm related to work.

Speaker 1: 38:57

Yes.

Speaker 2: 38:58

Yes, where it's not like someone that I'm teaching, where it's not someone who I'm running a workshop with. It's just like. It's just a human being who is just standing in front of me and we're having this conversation.

Speaker 1: 39:16

Yeah, I love that Like just literally having a, you know, a personal exchange, about a conversation about our own or your own connection to spirit, not in the context again of, I guess, what is a little bit more you could say, socially accepting, which would be in you know, work or in a, like you said, in a workshop and whatnot.

Speaker 1: 39:36

And I really love your answer, especially because it just kind of, for me personally, re-strengthens why I'm creating Hot Genius Society. Because you know, to be honest, as much as I know in theory that I'm not the only one who feels like I can't have those conversations as randomly in, you know, not in a professional context, but just really truly hearing someone else saying the same thing, you can see how it just re-strengthens the meaning and the purpose behind. You know, having, you could say, hot Genius is connecting with each other so that they can have that personal exchange. Because we usually in our own way in a sense for like the only time we can have those conversations are only in our work, and it just it's not enough, you know, to just do it like that, that I think we all deserve to have a space. The same way, someone else wants to talk about, you know gossip with no judgment to them. Why can't we also have a space to do that, but with spirit and spirituality?

Speaker 2: 40:40

Yeah, and actually what just came to me when I was listening to you talk? I just now, literally in this very moment, have this download and this inspiration to start a monthly online community where we connect and we have these conversations and I'm not just teaching people- Like sure there might be some guidance with like meditation journal prompts, but like an actual conversation where I'm listening and learning from others and others are listening and learning from me and from others.

Speaker 1: 41:18

Yes.

Speaker 2: 41:18

And I think I'm going to stop it.

Speaker 1: 41:21

I fucking love that. I absolutely love that, right. That sounds absolutely amazing, right, and you know, I think I think magic, so to speak, comes out in the most unexpected time, so I'm really grateful to be able to be a witness to that special moment for you. Yes, but yeah, absolutely love that. And so the next question I have for you is that what is something you never expected to gain in the process of doing the work that you do?

Speaker 2: 41:57

Oh, something I never expected to gain in the process of work that I do.

Speaker 1: 42:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:17

I think it's not whether or not I expect it. I mean, I anticipate, but I also just sort of am quite an open and accepting and receiving person.

Speaker 1: 42:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:36

That and what I've noticed was just opportunities that have come my way that I didn't expect, because I didn't know that that was a possible thing. So, for example, like having this incredible interview with you and these kind of questions being given, that is such like a very philosophical drive in conversation.

Speaker 2: 42:57

I love having this conversation, yeah me too, you know someone reaching out to me and asking me to do a podcast. Another girl from Sydney reaching out to ask me to write something in her blog for her Love it. So those kind of opportunities I didn't expect because I didn't know could be a possibility of existence at the time.

Speaker 1: 43:19

Yes.

Speaker 2: 43:21

So every time when I do have these opportunities, you know, like even a girl who came down from Sydney, who's now living in Melbourne, reached out and was like, hey, I would love to collaborate and make some new friends, let's catch up. So those kind of connections isn't something that I expected, but it isn't something I don't expect either, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 43:43

Yes.

Speaker 2: 43:46

It's just lots of surprises and I see them as like an abundance of opportunities. So every time they do come through, I'm always like, oh my god, thank you Like. This level of attitude is my everyday gratitude and I really get into that and I get really excited for these connections.

Speaker 1: 44:06

I love that. That's so true it's not just networking.

Speaker 2: 44:10

For me, it's not even about networking, it's about connecting Right and it feels so soul aligned as well. So I love when soul aligned opportunities like that come.

Speaker 1: 44:25

I love that, and it's sort of like the difference between work life balance and work life integration, and I think that maybe yeah, I feel like that's what I'm hearing Like there's been a lot of, I guess, where you're actually getting so much out of it on a personal level as well, which is, I think, magical and, yeah, like you said, so many opportunities that have just come to you because you've been a match for those things. So, yeah, I love that for you as well.

Speaker 2: 44:53

Yeah, I think that's for everyone. Everyone has that right, like it's your energy, your frequency, your vibration and it's like what you were calling in. I mean, you can call in whatever you want to call in. You just think to be embodying and believing and feeling into that right.

Speaker 1: 45:13

Yes.

Speaker 2: 45:16

And yeah, I mean, like I think for it to always be thinking like oh, that's going to be really great in terms of like networking and business and work, and that's very young energy, masculine energy, mindset, which is awesome. But for me, like those types of opportunities are more like oh, I get to create friendships right, like I get to learn from these people, I get to connect, and it's on that level that's really profound for me.

Speaker 1: 45:47

That's beautiful. And so to add to that sorry, what was that? I didn't say anything. Oh, okay, it sounded like you did. I think that was my own voice, lol, it was like an echo. Anyway, so to add to that, what would you say, is your unique zone of genius? Like, I'm looking for a very specific skill and not so broad, like just random examples. I'm looking for is like is your unique zone of genius possibly your ability to read people's body languages? Is it to help people see their gifts for what they are? Is it what would you say is a very unique thing to you, your zone of genius?

Speaker 2: 46:33

So I've got two that works hand in hand.

Speaker 2: 46:36

One is being able to like read between the lines, not as like a joke. I'm terrible at reading between the lines, but when it comes to people's needs, so when they're telling me something and when they're talking to me, whether it's face to face or on the phone, I can hear what it is that they need just by listening to what it is that they're sharing. Yes, but I also think that comes hand in hand with my intuition, because what ends up happening is, after I had a conversation, say that it's like a discovery call with a client, or say that it's a conversation with a friend who's sharing something the moment, we like walk away from that conversation and I'll go for a walk, or like having the dishes, or, like you know, walk it, just, you know, spending time alone. I get all these downloads and insights about what is coming up for them and how to support them, but I'm very mindful of that, because if it's not a client, then I am very mindful of not falling into the failure role either.

Speaker 1: 47:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:55

Yeah, I relate to that. Yeah, and I think one of the most like to answer that question. Why the most genius? What was the question? The genius? Your zone of genius Is yes, so is me having shower clarity. Every single time I have a shower, it's like I have walked into this vortex of insight.

Speaker 1: 48:26

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 48:26

And I'll like have a shower just so I can get an answer or just so I have clarity, just for my insight. Sometimes I'll like intentionally do that. Okay, I need clarity and ideas and insights of this and I'll go in and have a shower, love that, and then it just come to me. I absolutely like that. Oh my God, that is amazing. Yes, I can get a shower now, like a minute and five seconds.

Speaker 1: 48:47

Yeah, shower wisdom, right, and I think that Shower wisdom, yeah, I think that your zone of genius and correct me if I'm wrong, but like, I sort of feel like if I had to put it in a word, it would be that you are an incredible vessel to, to spirit, like your channel, your connection, it's so in tune. So I guess, yeah, very intuitive. There's so many ways to describe it, but does that resonate with you where?

Speaker 2: 49:16

Yeah, I would say it is intuitive, but I am still working on that, to be honest, and it was something I had to work on for a while, because it's about being in a state of trust.

Speaker 1: 49:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:30

And that can be a bit tricky, because you're sort of like am I just hearing voices? Yeah, am I just being funny? Am I seeing shit? Like, is this real? Am I, am I losing it? I think, yeah, trusting right?

Speaker 1: 49:43

Yeah, absolutely. You know, and I think it's really worth sharing with you, that usually the reason why people struggle to identify their expertise or their zone of genius right is because it usually comes so stupidly easy to you that it's really hard to recognize that it's unique or that it's special in some way, because you sort of just assume to some degree everyone has it and because you are it, because it's second nature and it comes easy. You know, sometimes we can, we can be, I guess, misled within ourselves to notice that this actually is, despite its infinite levels of development, waiting to happen. Is actually this, this zone of genius that we have? Oh, I love the way you said that. I just thought you should know that that if, if it is something where it's like, oh yeah, I am strengthening it, but I also am really good at it, it's just it's sort of like extra evidence to support that probably really is your zone of genius, if it's coming that easy to you.

Speaker 2: 50:45

That's so well said. Yeah, I would have to say it's my intuition, but it doesn't always work when I'm trying to play like a game and I'm trying to guess.

Speaker 1: 50:55

I know. I must say you know what's really funny. Get this. I don't know if you relate to this, but for me, right when, if I were to play a game as well, I swear to you that every single time I say the answer out loud before the person tells me the right answer. I realize that I said what my brain logically thought was the answer, but my intuition was actually correct and I end up saying my logical answer when really it wasn't my answer. It's my. My intuitive answer just felt too wrong. I mean, sounded too wrong in my head. I don't know what's To me all the time.

Speaker 2: 51:33

Well, I don't think you're the only one. It's like. It's like an ego comes in and it's sort of like no, I'm not trusting my intuition, listen to me instead. And then the answer isn't that.

Speaker 1: 51:43

And then you get so bummed out because you're like I should have said what actually came to me because now I can't be like, oh, I thought that, yes, yes, I know, because it doesn't sound like people won't believe you sometimes right, I definitely I can relate to that. I think of what's something that I have been trying to practice and I find that it has been helpful is that I noticed that the reason why I did that personally was that I could feel this level of urge that I've now had to like fight, and when I fight this urge, I call it my ego urge. I find that when I fight that urge, naturally it's a little bit easier to say the intuitive response, but I feel like I'm spiritually working out though every time I do it. So I don't know if that's worth anything to you, but it's been helpful so far for me.

Speaker 1: 52:35

Yes, exactly right, the ego urge.

Speaker 2: 52:40

The ego right yes.

Speaker 1: 52:43

Mimicking your intuition yes okay, so I've got a fun question for you what was the best $50 you ever spent, and why?

Speaker 2: 52:54

Oh, the best $50 I ever spent. Oh, oh. I feel like I've had some great $50 spins before. I'm trying to remember lost.

Speaker 1: 53:18

It can be $50 or under.

Speaker 2: 53:29

The first thing that's coming to me was probably ramen.

Speaker 1: 53:35

And why?

Speaker 2: 53:37

Just like food. I think for me it's because one ramen is fucking delicious. It wasn't just one ramen that costed $50. I probably bought two bowls of ramen and some other food, but it was probably just because one it's absolutely delicious. Two I'm sharing that with great company. Three, it was just nourishing and soul satisfying. I think often money that's been spent like that is always something related to food for me.

Speaker 1: 54:19

I love that the connection of it all as well.

Speaker 2: 54:24

Yeah, I'm sharing that food.

Speaker 1: 54:27

Love. That. That's very unexpected in a good way. Okay, so I promise there's only three questions left.

Speaker 2: 54:35

I actually have another answer.

Speaker 1: 54:36

Oh yeah, sure.

Speaker 2: 54:41

I bought a birthday present for a friend and it is a true crime investigation outdoor room, escape room. So basically you walk around the city and you have to investigate this fake crime and go to different buildings and then you get different clues and hints.

Speaker 1: 55:07

That is so cool.

Speaker 2: 55:09

Something adventurous. I guess it's either food or like an activity like that.

Speaker 1: 55:15

Oh, I love that. I absolutely love that. I know that there's an escape room never heard of the ones where it's like literally out in the world. So that's so cool, that's experience. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2: 55:31

It makes me think like I feel like we would spend money on materialistic, tangible things right. And we're like oh cool, we love it. And then we like forget about it in a couple months or weeks or whatever you find used to it. But I feel like every time it comes to an experience like something fun that you get to share with someone or food, because it's an experience and you're sharing, that's when, like, that's always the best experience. You always remember that.

Speaker 1: 55:58

Yes, yes, I agree with that, yeah, and I think that what both of those items have in common is a sense of generosity and connection, which I think is really special in itself. Okay, so my next question for you, the big D part, is just this answer with work whatever comes to instantly, because I think that this can be quite big. But 10 years from now, what are you looking forward to either achieving or becoming?

Speaker 2: 56:32

10 years from now. I mean, I want to have it right now. Like you know, in terms of collapsing the quantum field timeline, I don't want it to be 10 years, I want it to be now.

Speaker 1: 56:46

But what if it was 10 years? But?

Speaker 2: 56:48

if it was it would have to be. I visualise that I own this beautiful, huge wellness centre and it's got these two big workshop space rooms that could just be two separate ones or joined together and I'm creating this community where I'm like offering jobs for people to work there and also having a team to help support this place, and like there's treatment rooms as well and there's always like events and workshops that I get to host in this space.

Speaker 2: 57:23

And it's just surrounded by, like the rainforest, with a nearby beach, so I don't know where the location for that is, but I know that that is. It's like elements, it's bio.

Speaker 1: 57:37

Ooh, that sounds more like a wellness retreat.

Speaker 2: 57:40

Yeah, oh like a. I own the centre.

Speaker 1: 57:44

I love that.

Speaker 2: 57:45

I see myself waking up in the morning, in the sunrise and looking out of my balcony into the rainforest, and I'm just like getting myself to work and opening the doors and saying hi to like, like the stuff that's coming in, and we have like a team meeting in the morning where it's like a meditation and we're checking with each other, like that's what I visualise.

Speaker 1: 58:08

Wow, that sounds heavenly, and I just wanted to say thank you for sharing that, because I think that, well, this is just my opinion it takes a lot of courage to be able to share our visions with anybody, you know, let alone share it with ourselves. And you know, who knows, maybe the fact that you have shared it again with another human, that maybe that might be, you know, helping with the quantum collapse of time. You never know. Yeah. So I love that for you, I love that for you really, and I have no doubt that that's something that you're going to not only create but, you know, embody. And yeah, it could be much sooner than 10 years, that's for sure. I'll let you know in the next interview. Yeah, done, okay, I'm the next question. So we've got two left. So the second last question is what's your overall life's philosophy?

Speaker 2: 59:04

but like in a sentence, I always kind of like have a mantra, a different mantra every year, yeah, so I think for me, the mantra this year is and this is what I've noticed that I've been saying a lot to myself and others, and it came to me through a meditation from my vibes.

Speaker 1: 59:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 59:33

So it is, because you want something means you already have it.

Speaker 1: 59:41

Yes, yes, oh, my God, I agree with that so much.

Speaker 2: 59:46

Oh, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 59:48

Oh, it does to me.

Speaker 2: 59:49

Yes, I love that, and because you want something, it means that you already have it. Yes, oh my.

Speaker 1: 59:57

God. So I'm taking it back in the best way, because I sort of think those things to myself, you know, and I've just never heard anyone else see that, but it's really beautiful to hear that that's your life's philosophy. I think it's so beautiful and I can't wait to share it with others and, you know, through the piece that I'm writing on you, because that really is, it's beautiful. And that sort of does lead to the next question, which is that if you could send a message that was guaranteed guaranteed to reach 8 billion people, what would that one message be? No pressure.

Speaker 2: 1:00:44

Well, I want to be a really powerful message and if it was going to reach everyone.

Speaker 1: 1:00:57

It was guaranteed that they would hear it Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:01:09

Give me a second.

Speaker 1: 1:01:11

No, that's okay, Take your time.

Speaker 2: 1:01:13

It's coming to me. Yeah, I'm getting some words.

Speaker 1: 1:01:16

Yes, okay. What if I asked you the last question and then maybe that might inspire this question? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. So the last question of this interview is actually what was your favorite part of the interview today?

Speaker 2: 1:02:04

My favorite part of the interview was connecting with you and having these philosophical conversations. That was just driving food for thought and just conversing. I just love that I had this opportunity to have these beautiful kind of conversations with someone who shares the same values as me and who is deeply passionate and ingrained in their work. Oh, that's beautiful and it's just been a really fun interview.

Speaker 1: 1:02:41

Yes.

Speaker 2: 1:02:42

With really thoughtful questions. So I think it's just really nice to be asked questions because, you know, in the kind of line of work that we do, we're the ones who are always asking questions. Yes, yes. So it's nice to have the opportunity to reflect and answer.

Speaker 1: 1:02:59

Yes, oh, I'm so honored and thank you for those beautiful words. I hope in some way, that it gave your mind a rest to help you answer as well the other question, the real last question, or call it the official last question, right which is, if you could send a message that was guaranteed to reach 8 billion people, what would that one message be?

Speaker 1: 1:03:21

Okay, but yet just you go and do your show wisdom thing and then you send me that question, because I do feel like this was one of these questions that really deserve, I guess, your the energy and the time, the no pressure to connect with. Does that feel good? Yes, I love it. Amazing, all right, thank you so much for you. I have absolutely loved this interview. It has been such an experience. I personally learned so much.

Speaker 2: 1:03:52

Thank you. I so appreciate your time and the questions and your energy and having a beautiful conversation with you. Thank you so much and I would definitely get back to you on that answer.

Speaker 1: 1:04:04

Yes, dan, I'm so excited. I hope that you enjoyed that conversation as much as we loved having it. And, just like I asked at the end of the conversation, I asked her if you could send a message to eight billion people on earth. What would that message be? Well, she ended up having an answer for me later on, and this is what she had said you don't have to accept the life that's given to you. Instead, you get to create the life that you want. So fucking powerful. And thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 1:04:38

Secuna MacArthur, hot Genius of the Month. Now I just going to say I can't promise that I'm going to do this again. This might have been a one off thing, like who knows. I think I'm going to get to that point in my career where I'm surrendering a lot of the process. I'm finding that balance between the structure, the masculine energy, but giving space to the feminine energy, the place and the flexibility where I'm going to allow divine guidance to actually be a part of this co-creation. And so if you would like to find out more about Secuna MacArthur, I will put all of her details in the description below in the show notes, but you can follow her on Instagram at undouwomeness. Okay, so I hope you enjoyed today and I'll see you in the next one.